GOD'S WAYS

per my understandings as a member of the Church - Don R. Hender


~ NKJV - 1 Corinthians 6:8-10 - CAPEESH? ~



    "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
    For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
    ~ Old Testament | Isaiah 55:8-9


    Man does not define God as to what man wants God to be. God Is and man comes to God on God's terms of what is acceptable to God. Man does not tell God what man would have things be. There is in truth, in fact and in faith that which is God's True Way and man may come unto it but man does not define what it is just to suit himself. God's True Ways are not carnal man's ways or the low ways that many men choose to define and live their lives by. God's ways and laws are of a higher nature and any who seek to attain to those higher precepts, laws and statutes must be willing to conform their lives to God's ways, to live God's Commandments as God has prescribed them. To so stand up for and adhere to God's Commandments is often not the popular way of the carnal nature of the beast. It is to strive to live the higher laws of the guiding spiritual laws and ways of God. Those who strive to so live according to God's Laws must Stand Up and Defend the Faith as God has set it forth and Commanded it to be lived in Righteousness and not in the ways of sinful man. To this end, as to God's Law of Chastity has the Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints so take a stand of the standard of God. And if there are those who choosel not to live by that standard, then they are so free to not be found within the Laws of God'. Lines must be drawn and standards maintained otherwise in what and where is the sense of God and Heaven as opposed by Hell? And then was is to be made of good and of evil? They do exist and man attempting to define God but leaves man Godless. And without the standards of law and right and wrong, there is but chaos and God's house is a house of order and not a house of that chaos where is left to choose whatever he decides without God's acceptable standards of God's civiliation of the worship of God.

The topic and review set out here is of one such matter. That matter being of concern in relationship to one of God's basic Commandments and Standards. We are to be measured by that standard and if we like sheep have gone astray then in that we will have been found wanting, for there are such serious levels of living by God's standard, that if we are not willing or unable to live by them, then we have become to be without our God, as painful as that may be. Murder is Murder and second unto it is that of Virtue and Adultry is any such thing there related to it done outside of the intent and purpose of the marriage relation set by God of a man and a woman. Man must choose, God or Sin as defined by God. There is forgiveness as received through repentance and such are acceptable to come unto God. The those committed to the carnal as their way of life have used their agency to choose life without God's presence and fellowship. Though such as same sex marriage is the carnal law of the land, it is not our faith's law as given by the God we worship.

As the Supreme Court of the land has ruled from its Bench that same sex marriage it legal and lawful in this land, a review and adjustment in Church policy has been taken in response to that ruling because our Faith is that the rule of the land does not comply with the laws of the Church, which we deem to be God's laws as taught by the Bible and our Christian religion for ages pasts. The Faith of our religion is that relationships of sexually intimate character are acceptable to the Lord within the state of a legal and lawful marriage between a man and a women. Any such relationship outside of that state of marriage between a man and a women is considered in violation of God's Commandment, Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultry and as further implied by the Lord as anything like unto it, that is any sexual relationship of an intimate nature outside as marriage as is our faith that has been established by God. Thus certain circumstance of living within that environment and the conflicts it does cause between pure religion and what is now practiced by man needs to be addressed in Church Government and Policy of the Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. God's laws are not matter of moving with the trends of the behaviors of man, but they are set standards as set for by God who does not so change his standards or commandments. Thus follows the statement of position of Church Governemnt in relation to dealing with the now pending conditions of society law and God's law.


LDS Church: Underage children of same-sex couples not eligible for membership

By Spencer Hall | Posted Nov 5th, 2015 @ 10:18pm

10PM: LDS Church: Children of same-sex couples not eligible for membership

SALT LAKE CITY The LDS Church confirmed Thursday that children living with same-sex parents or guardians will not be allowed membership in the church until reaching "legal age" and the individual "disavows the practice of same-gender cohabitation and marriage."

The new instructions are included in a revision to Handbook 1, the guide for stake presidents and bishops.

The criteria for membership also requires an individual to no longer be living with a parent "who has lived or currently lives in a same-gender cohabitation relationship or marriage." A mission president or a stake president must now request approval from the Office of the First Presidency to baptize and confirm, ordain, or recommend missionary service for an individual in these circumstances.

Church spokesman Erik Hawkins released the following statement:

"Church handbooks are policy and procedural guides for lay leaders who must administer the Church in many varied circumstances throughout the world. The Church has long been on record as opposing same-sex marriages. While it respects the law of the land, and acknowledges the right of others to think and act differently, it does not perform or accept same-sex marriage within its membership."

Handbook 1, number 6.7.2 has been updated as follows (addition is highlighted):

When a Disciplinary Council May Be Necessary

Serious Transgression

. . . It includes (but is not limited to) attempted murder, forcible rape, sexual abuse, spouse abuse, intentional serious physical injury of others, adultery, fornication, homosexual relations (especially sexual cohabitation), deliberate abandonment of family responsibilities, . . .

Handbook 1, number 6.7.3 has been updated as follows (addition is highlighted):

When a Disciplinary Council is Mandatory

Apostasy

As used here, apostasy refers to members who:
1.Repeatedly act in clear, open, and deliberate public opposition to the Church or its leaders.
2.Persist in teaching as Church doctrine information that is not Church doctrine after they have been corrected by their bishop or a higher authority.
3.Continue to follow the teachings of apostate sects (such as those that advocate plural marriage) after being corrected by their bishop or a higher authority.
4.Are in a same-gender marriage.
5.Formally join another church and advocate its teachings.

A new section in Handbook 1, 16.13 has been added as follows:

Children of a Parent Living in a Same-Gender Relationship

A natural or adopted child of a parent living in a same-gender relationship, whether the couple is married or cohabiting, may not receive a name and a blessing.

A natural or adopted child of a parent living in a same-gender relationship, whether the couple is married or cohabiting, may be baptized and confirmed, ordained, or recommended for missionary service only as follows:

A mission president or a stake president may request approval from the Office of the First Presidency to baptize and confirm, ordain, or recommend missionary service for a child of a parent who has lived or is living in a same-gender relationship when he is satisfied by personal interviews that both of the following requirements are met:
1.The child accepts and is committed to live the teachings and doctrine of the Church, and specifically disavows the practice of same-gender cohabitation and marriage.
2.The child is of legal age and does not live with a parent who has lived or currently lives in a same-gender cohabitation relationship or marriage.

Equality Utah released the following statement:

"In America all churches have the religious liberty to welcome or exclude whomever they desire," said executive director Troy Williams. "But we know that children of same-sex parents are treasures of infinite worth. In our universe, all God's children have a place in the choir."

Underage minor children are subject to the parenting of their legal parents and the Church intends not to introduce conflicts in the home by setting of contention between parent behavior and Church law. Therefore Underaged children subject to same-sex couples well not be eligible for Chruch membership.

Baptized members make a commitment at the time of baptism to live by and adhere to the principles, laws and commandments of God as understood and taught by the Church. Thus a person being baptized, amoung agreement to live the other Laws and Commandments of God, does also agree to live the 'law of Chastity in relationship to the Commandment not to commit adultry with the belief and standard that all intimate sexual relations are to be but between a legally and lawfully married man and woman and not to be extended to same sex relationships, which must be disavowed.


Further, members of the Chruch are expected to maintain their good standing membership by striving to live the Commandments of God. While none are perfect, a person who will not repent of misconduct and insists on the pursuit of living against the standards of the Chruch must be dealt with by various Church procedures as set out. And if such continue to refuse to live by membership expectations, the being dismissed from church membership is an appropriate action that may be taken by the Church.


When a member is no longer in good standing and refuses to comply with the standards of expectation of the Church, they are considered to be in a state of Apostasy from the Church. That is they are utterly refusing to live by the Chruch's rules, laws, commandments and standards of acceptable membership behavior. When all has been exhausted in working with the person to so properly conform to membership standards, there may well be taken action to cancel that person's membership by various stages of disfellowship and even excommunication according to the various levels that the circumstance may dictate to be applied. Representative matters are so listed in the statement at the left.


Further as to the 'new section' caused by legal same sex marriages, the children of such parents will not be processed in as a 'Child of Record' of the chruch by having received a name and blessing in the church. Nor will they be elligible for membership/baptism until legal age (18 years), no longer liveing with their same sex parent(s), and they having disavowed the practice of same-sex relations and marriage. Such new members who seek to fill a mission will further need to be interviewed and accepted to be an appropriate candidate to represent the church and to teach the Chruch's 'true doctrine.'

SALT LAKE CITY The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints clarified new guidelines for local leaders that bar underage children living with same-gender parents from membership.

The updated instructions from the church handbook were confirmed Thursday by a church spokesman. To be eligible for membership, baptism, confirmation, ordination, or recommendation for missionary service, the new rules require individuals to specifically disavow support for the practice of same-sex marriage or cohabitation and receive approval from the Office of the First Presidency, the highest level of leadership in the church.

The guidelines are included in revisions to Handbook 1, which is only available to stake presidencies and bishoprics.

In a statement and video published Friday evening, the church reaffirmed the Church's position on marriage and outlined the changes to the handbook.

Contributing:Sam Penrod, Ashley Kewish

Underage minor children are subject to the parenting of their legal parents and the Church intends not to introduce conflicts in the home by setting of contention between parent behavior and Church law. Therefore Underaged children subject to same-sex couples well not be eligible for Chruch membership.

rev. 14 October 2016