Some Things I Know About the Wynhall Family
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The Family of Richard Wynhall and Jane | |||||
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With my own connection to the Wynhall family being estabished, having half uncles and cousin within the
Wynhall family, I will not proceed to set out the additional information which I have come accross
concerning this greater Wnyhall family which I am Connected to. To this end I will begin with the younger
brother of Richard Wynhall, Robert Pope Wynhall Sr.'s father, which brother is William Pope Wynhall, and
there families. And herein we will find the source of the 'Pope' middle name so common among this greater
wynhall family.
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Moving to the Older Generations
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?William Pope Wynhall?
Putting Together the Family of Robert Wynhall and Mary PopeAND THUS there is a question of John Wynhall being grandfather of William Pope Wynhall if Robert Wynhall is his father because the one distinct source of the 'POPE' middle name seems to be the marriage between Rob. (Robert) Wynhall and Mary POPE on 6 July 1788 at St. Martin on Looe Bay. So if John Wynhall is grandfather then is William Pope Wynhall the [youngest] son of Robert Wynhall and Mary Pope? And then Richard Wynhall and Jane would not be William Pope Wynhall's parents. And then is Richard Wynhall with his wife Jane, who names all their children with the middle name of Pope an older brother of William Pope Wynhall, and are both Willaim Pope Wynhall and Richard Wynhall sons of Robert Wynhall and Mary Pope? And this is that Robert Wynhall the son of John Wynhall? I'll draw that last arrangement up and see how it looks.
John Wynhall = Elizabeth
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Robert Wynhall = Mary Pope
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Richard Wynhall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . William Pope Wynhall
b a1789? b. 1807?
I guess that works with Mary Pope having a child rearing span of 18 or so years? Now from the OPC Cornwall databases web site here is the family of Robert Wynhall and Mary Pope as can be determined from their marriage and subsequent family (children) members. And indeed she has a long child bearing number of years. And as can be seen the series of dots presumption above are in reality filled in by the factual existence of six children, namely, Jenny Pope Wynhall, John Wynhall, Nicholas Pope Wynhall, George Wynhall, Philip Pope Wynhall, and Ann Pope Wynhall; making a total of eight known children in all recordedly born to Robert Wynhall and his wife Mary (Pope).
Robert Wynhall = Mary Pope (parents appear to be Wm & Ann)
Carpenter | b c1764
b c1764 cb 26Dec1769 | cb 4 Dec 1763
Duloe | St Martin by Looe
m 6 Jul 1788 | db 29 Mar 1841
St Martin by Looe | a77 S M Looe
db 4 Jul 1831 a66 |
St Martin by Looe |
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Richard Jenny Pope John Nicholas Pope George Philip Pope |
Wynhall Wynhall Wynhall Wynhall Wnyhall Wnyhall |
cb 28 Sep 1788 cb 3 Feb 1790 Ironmonger & cb 25 Jul 1798 cb 4 May 1800 cb 8 Jun 1802 |
St. M. Looe St. M. Looe Plumber St. M. Looe St. M. Looe St. M. Looe |
(my connection) cb 19 Jul 1794 (See below) db15Nov1803 |
(See Above) St. M. Looe d 1838? St. M. Looe |
m. |
= Elizabeth |
| Skentelbery ______________________________|
| b. c1796 | |
| Falmouth Ann Pope Wnyhall William Pope Wynhall
| bur. 6 Mar 1856 cd 4 Apr 1804 cb 16 Apr 1807
| age 62, East L. St. M. Looe St. M. Looe
+Elizabeth db 23 Feb 1816 db 1886
| Wynhall a12 S.M.Looe (Coastguard &
| b. 1832 large family)
| East Looe (See BelowL)
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+Edwin
Wynhall
b. c1833
Cornwall
(John's 2nd Wife)
= Ann ROWE a.44
25 Dec 1858
(confirms father
Robert Wnyhall
carpenter)
(See Below/Bottom)
Note: I can only find two records for a Nicholas Wynhall in Cornwall which fit this Nicholas Pope Wynhall. The first is this Christian baptism record with him being the son of Robert Wynhall and Mary Pope. The other is another is for a Nicholas James Wynhall, baptism 29 Dec 1839, Mylor Parish with parents of Nicholas and Charity Wynhall. It this Christian baptism is near the date of birth and Nicholas the father is the same as Nicholas Pope Wynhall above, then Nicholas is about 41 years old or older which is possible. Mylor is on the coast and is a sea port parish and Nicholas is a Mariner on his son's baptism record. Also there is a note of some notes dated 20 Sep. 1830 which makes me wonder if the baptism date if 1839 or 1830 mis-transcribed as 1839?
Nicholas Pope Wynhall = Charity** __________ = William Gallop, Esq. Shipowner
Mariner | of Hastings, Sussex
cb 26 Jul 1798 | b c1801, Cornwall a Commissioners of Hastings
St Martin Looe | W widowed by 1841 m 2 May 1851
d before 1841 | Plymouth, Devon
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Nicholas James Wynhall=?=James Wynhall Frances (Jane) Wynhall
b 1832 St Helier, JSY b c1831 Cornwall b c1833 Cornwall (1841 census says county-another
cb 29 Dec 1839 source says JSY(Jersey Is.) same with James)
(James & Nicholas James same/avoiding = James Passingham (one source says)
census confusion of 2 Nicholas?) 1856 in Hastings, Sussex
m
= Ann
| 1839 Hastings, Sussex
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| Hastings District SSX
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George W. Wynhall Nicholas J. Wynhall Charles B. Wynhall Ernest A. Wynhall
b 1865 Southwick SSX b 1867 Bulverhythe SSX b 1869 Bulverhythe SSX b 1871 Pevensey SSX
(married 2nd wife and her two sons (his step sons)
= Elizabeth Stevenson b 1843 Newbury BRK
4th qtr 1880 Hastings District SSX
William Stepheson Henry Stepheson
b 1865 Hastings SSX b 1867 Hastings SSX
* Source 1 - 1841 Mylor Census record. Book 10 Folio 14 Page 10 on St Johns St. 1
Source 2 - 1839 baptism record Mylor parish, residing Flushing
Source 3 - 1851 various 'new' articles concerning Charity's marriage to Gallop
William Gallup, Esq. marries relict of Mr. Nicholas Wynhall, esq. R.N. of Looe.
Source 4 - Nicholas J [James] Wynhall Costguard record
"C:\My Files\res3\TopicsCM\g\genealogy\British Coastguards 1841-1891-Personnel T-Z.htm"
** Non-authoritive source: Family Tree Maker (famous for errors) has children of
Gallop and Charity (nee) Wynhall long before they marry in 1851 - WRONG
That source also suggests that Charity was daughter of William Wynhall born 1798 in
Salt Ash Common but two reliable sources have her born c1801 (Census and Coastguard
military record. She is reported by this source as dying in 1863 in Sussex. That is
possible. And now with all this said it is only fair to also present what the 1861
Sussex Census Reports:
Folio 45 Page 18
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205, Victoria Cottage, 1, William Gallop, Head, M, 57,,Fisherman, Hastings Sussex,,
, , ,Charity Gallop, Wife, M,,63,,Saltash Cornwall,,
, , ,Frances Passingham, Daur, W,,28,,\- Jersey,,
, , ,Emily Wynhall, Neice,,, 4, Scholar, Gosport Hampshire,,
[@http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ssx1861/562hastingsallsts.html]
Now this census record both answers and settles some questions and raises some others. Of course
William Gallop is Charity's second husband whom she is living with, her first husband being
Nicholas [Pope] Wynhall. Frances Passingham is the daughter of Nicholas Wynhall and Charity and
she married James Pssingham in 1856 in Hastings, Sussex. James is dead by 1861 as Frances is
report as being 'W' a widow on the census. As for the present neice, that would be actually the
niece of Nicholas Pope Wynhall, the daughter of William Pope Wynhall, Emily Caroline Wynhall
reported born 1857 on William Pope Wynhall Coastguard record in Hapshire but there at Alverstoke
which must be closely also associated with Gosport. This cements the relationship between
Nicholas [Pope] Wynhall and William [Pope] Wynhall and this family of Charity. This is no
Charity found 'baptised' in Saltash from 1795-1805 on the OPC database with any surname or in
nearby parishes. But it is unlikely, with the clearing up of who Emily Wynhall her neice is,
that Chrity was the daughter of a Wynhall herself. And finally, there are no children from
William Gallop and Charity shown as Frances is the daughter of Charity and Nicholas Wynhall
and only step-daug of Gallop himself. This makes the most sense as being married in 1851,
Charity was age 53, beyond child bearing age to Gallop. Again, all the facts need to be
considered and not just a 'splash and dash' Family Tree Maker. The closest I come to finding
an associated record for a girl named Charity is one in a non-conformist Baptist Circust dated
23 Jan 1796 that might fit. It is for Charity JENKINS, the daughter of John and Charlotte
JENKINS, Launceston, Wesleyan Circuit, Launceston. That could be looked into but is not
solidly confirmed as being her at this point.
And now, before I leave this area of effort, I best set out William Pope Wynhall's family as that was my beginning point I should end with it also. Many thanks goes out to HMR Coastgard and the records they keep, else such families as William Pope Wynhall would be must too difficult to tackle successfuly without making broad assumptions and subjective errors of compilation.
William Pope Wynhall = Mary Ann
(Coastguard) |
b 1807 East Looe Corn. | b 1817 Kingswear, Devon
m 1841 |
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d 1886 |
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| Eliza E. Wynhall William P.Wynhall George G. Jane A. Sarah W.
| (Coastguard 1861) Wynhall Wynhall Wynhall
| b 1838 b 1840 b 1842 b 1844 b 1846
| Hollington SSX Hollington/Hastings SSX St Mary's SSX St Mary's SSX St Mawes C.
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| Frances M. Wynhall Robert Wynhall Charlotte Elizabeth Charles
| b 1848 b 1849 Wynhall Wynhall Wynhall
| Mylor CON Hayling Is.HAM b 1851 b 1853 b 1855
| Alverstoke HAM Alverstoke HAM Alverstoke HAM
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| | Grandchildren:
Emily Caroline Wynhall James Wynhall Jessie Mary Wynhall Ada Gertrude Wynhall
b 1857 b 1859 b 1864 Southampton b 1867 Southhampton
Alverstoke, HAM Hamble, HAM HAM HAM
There it is, the source of the middle name 'Pope' and from Richard my Wynhall connect to Nicholas Pope to William Pope, the family of that Robert Wynhall who married Mary Pope including a few families since with others to still come to be presented. But for now lets go back the next generation to grandfather John Wynhall, the grandfather of William Pope Wynhall and see what that family's generation and such looks like. | |||||
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Moving to Next Older Generation
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From Duloe to St. Martin by LooeTo appreciate the next and oldest Wynhall family group a map of the parishes of East Cornwall is here provided. Notice the location of St. Martin by Looe on the southern coastline middle of the pictured map. To the north and west, the next parish is that of Duloe. These two parishes of Duloe and St. Martin by Looe play a significant part in understanding the family of John Wnyhall and his wife Mary. It will be noticed here that even the smallest of family movement from near parish to near parish may cause clarical alterations in just how a family name is recorded and likely also pronounced to have such a variety of spellings. So here we go, the next generation back would seem to be that of John Wnyhall, said grandfather of William Pope Wnyhall and the father of already set out Robert Wynhall who married Mary Pope. To that end the family which seems to fit the situation with various local and last name spellings. At one point the family was in the parish of Duloe where they had all on the same day and date the then three oldest living children Christian baptized at the local parish of Duloe. Here it will be initially noticed as to how the family name was being pronouced and interpretively spelt as 'Winhole' by the local clergy clerk of Duloe. Oh, the country dialects of England, 'love them'? Then when the family moves to St. Martin by Looe Bay, suddenly there the name is 'heard' and recognized to be spelt differently again and still not the later 'more proper spelling' of Wynhall. Notice and enjoy the spellings and likely pronounciations which generated them as this family is now presented below:
John Winhole/Wynhal/Wynhall/Winnal = Mary
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George Sarah Robert* Elizabeth (dup) Mary (dup) Thomas
Winhole Winhole/Whynhall Winhole Wynnal/Whynhall Winnal/Wynhall Winnal
c 26 Dec 1769 c 26 Dec 1769 c 26 Dec 1769 c 8 Dec 1771 c 3 Jul 1774 c 15 Dec
Duloe Duloe Duloe S Martin Looe S Martin L(e chap) 1775
m 13 Apr 1789 m 6 Jul 1788 m 13 Apr 1789 S Martin L
S Martin Looe S Martin Looe S Martin Looe
= Richard Pearn = Mary Pope = William Clarke
(My Connection)
(See Above)
Sarah Whynhall of the Borough of East Looe married Richard Pearn of His
Majesty's Ship Impregnable on 13 Apr 1789 as record in the record of the
parish of St Martin by Looe. Witnesses of the marriage were Charles Angear and
John Wynall. This as is recorded by Sue Dent from the St Martin parish record.
On the 13 Apr 1789, the same day Sarah Whynhall was married, Elizabeth Whynhall was also married as recorded by the St Martin by Looe parish record. She married William Clarke who was also Of His Majesty's Ship Impregnable. Like Sarah Whynhall, Elizabeth Whynhall was also of the Borough of East Looe. And the witnesses of her marriage was also Charles Angaer and John Wynhall (spelt correctly rather than how the clergy clerk was spelling the name. This is as extracted from the parish record by Sue Dent. It appears that the two sisters married themselves to two of the Kings Sailors both on the same day - how exciting. And certainly the Impregnable with her 90 guns looked very impressive even in training. The HMS Impregnable even had its own uniformed marching band. *Note: Robert Wynhall died at age 66 and was buried 4 Jul 1831 at St. Martin by Looe. He was resident of East Looe. If this be Robert Winhole above, then he was born c1764 at some location and later, 5 years later, was baptized jointly with his siblings George and Sarah. This may make Robert Winhole/Wnyhall to be actually the eldest of the family's children. | |||||
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Moving Back Down a Couple of Generations
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The Family of John Wynhall and Elizabeth Skentelbery (Skentlebury)This John Wynhall is the son of Robert Wynhall and Mary Pope further above where two of his youngest children below are there associated as being his. Here again it is helpful to take note of the previous parishes map of East Cornwall and notice that just to the west of St. Martin by Looe is the parish of Talland. That is significant because that is were this John Wynhall and his wife Elizabeth Skentelbery were married.
John Wynhall = Elizabeth Skentelbery = Ann Rowe (2nd Wife)
c. 19 Jul 1794 | b. c1796 b. c1814
S Martin Looe | m. 26 Dec 1821 m. 25 Dec 1858
Carpenter/ | Talland S Martin Looe
Ironmonger | db. 6 Mar 1857 a62 (dau Thos Rowe
(son Robert | (as Elizabeth Pawlin farmer)
Wnyhall & | Wynhall) S M Looe
Mary Pope) |
db 17Feb1875 a80|
St Martin Looe |
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Ann Scantlebury William John Philip Jane Anne (Ann) Elizabeth Edwin
Wynhall Wynhall Wynhall (Spinster/Minor) Wynhall Wynhall
c 24 Nov 1822 c 14 Jul 1825 c 8 Apr 1827 c 8 Mar 1829 c 12 Jun 1831 cb 26 Dec 1833
S Martin Looe S Martin Looe S Martin Looe S Martin Looe S Martin Looe S Martin Looe
m 1 Jan 1849 m 8 Feb 1877
S Martin Looe = Susan Richards
=Thomas Clogg | cb 6 Nov 1837
| S Martin Looe
| db 19 Oct 1905
| a68 S M Looe
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+ Margaret
Estelle
Wynhall
Jane Ann Wynhall, a minor by about one year and a spinster was married to Thomas Clogg who was of Bachelor of full age on 1 Jan 1849 as recorded in the St Martin by Looe parish register. Thomas Clogg resided at Wringworthy an his profession was that of a Butcher. His faher was Richard Clogg a Yoeman. Jane Ann Wynhall resided at East Looe and her father was John Wynhall an ironmonger at date of her marriage. The witnesses to the marriage were John Wynhall and John Toms. This is from the information transcribed by Sue Dent from the parish record. Now given this information to be correct as to how the families tie together so far, allowing for varying clerical writings of names they are not familiar with, I suppose the information would flow better and be better understood if it began with the first John and Elizabeth and was progressively connected down from that beginning source. And that further beginning sourc begs to ask is our oldest John Wynnal whose wife is Elizabeth, the son of Frances Wynell, who in turn is the son of Mr. John Wynell and his wife Mrs. Ursula Wynell? This possiblity seem to be a fit allowing some movement of family for marriage purposes, that is John (jr) to Duloe to marry his wife Mary before his family moving back to East Looe again. And of course there are other matters to frame and check out and varify, but there does seem to be a plausible fit here set forth.
A Possible Line on Margaret Estelle (nee Wynhall).Margaret Estelle Wynhall was the daughter of Edwin Wynhall an Ironmonger and his wife Susan. Mararet Estelle was 'baptized' 24 Oct. 1880 at St. Martin by Looe, Cornwall. Whether she was born that same year is the usual question. But if she is the daughter of the Edwin Wnyhall of the above family, where Edwin is the son of John Wynhall and his wife Elizabeth Skentelbery then Edwin would be at least age 57 at the time of Margaret Estelle's baptism. Not entirely impossible but still the question. It appears from internet online sources that Margaret Estelle/Estella Wynhall married a 'Moore' and then later married a 'Bettinson'. Now Margaret's mother was Susan Richards, eldest sister of an Elizabeth Richards. When Margaret married for the second time, she reported that she was a spinster. At her second marriage to Bettinson in 1913, Margaret Wynhall, 32, spinster, father Edward Wynhall, watchmaker, married Albert Bettison. Her first marriage in 1910 to Henry George Moore, bride Margaret Estelle Wynhall, age 30 spinster, father Edward Wynhall, jeweller. This is 'take 1'. Take 2 is, 'It is an unusual name, but there a lot of Wynhalls around at this time. Also christian names were passed down and sideways through the family. I am afraid that I think it unlikely that marital status is incorrect on source documents? Presumably the name on the second mariage is Moore and not Wynhall. If it is Wynhall then there are definately two people. That is 'take 2' and I'd have to agree with it with no further evidence than the same or similar names of Margaret Estelle Wynhall and Margaret Estella Wynhall. At any rate the Edwin Wynhall I would connect her to is Edwin Wnyhall an ironmonger, ironmongers are not that far removed from watchmakers and/or jewelers for that matter. Any way, Edwin Wynhall married Susan Richards at St. Martin by Looe on 8 Feb. 1877. Both were of 'Full Age' so no hints there. Edwin is listed as a bachelor and an Ironmonger, and his father is listed as being John Wynhall. Susan Richards is also of full age, a spinster and her father is William Richards listed as a 'Gentleman'. Both were of East Looe. Interestingly, Susan Richards was 'baptized' 6 Nov 1837 at St. Martin by Looe, so she may have been just 4 years younger than Edwin, which makes the matched couple even more likely. On her record her father is William Richards, Gentleman and her mother's name is Susanna. | |||||
Robert Pope Wynhall = Louisa ___ nee ___ widower widow m abt 1899 (2 children from prior marriage)
Now with that said, we look to Nicholas' brother William of the Coast Guard
who was once stationed at Mylor in 1846 where Nicholas James Wynhall was
'eventually' Christened/baptized. Also, wherefore, there is also a Nicholas
J. Wynhall of the Coast Guard who aligns with this Nicholas James Wynhall who
the Coast Guard record gives a birth year and location as JSY 1832 St Helier.
Could have young Nicholas James Wynhall been so impressed by his uncle
William [Pope] Wynhall to have also signed up in the Coast Gaurd? Nicholas
J. Wynhall of the Coast Guard has a large family, having married twice. He
has four children record by his first wife Ann: George, Nicholas J., Charles
B., and Ernest A. Ann died 4th qtr 1872 and Nicholas J. Wynhall married
Elizabeth Stevenson in that same qtr 1872. From this marriage is listed step-
children: William Stephenson and Henry Stephenson. [Nicholas J. Wynhall's
birth location is clarified as 'JSY' being Jersey Island, the largest of the
Channel Islands of the English Channel, and 'St. Helier' is one of the 12
parishes of Jersey Island (see map at right). Before turning back to the family
of William Pope Wynhall, I will set out a suggested pedigree for Nicholas Pope
Wynhall, the middle brother between Richard Wynhall, my connection, and William
Pope Wynhall the youngest child of Richard Wynhall and Mary Pope.
